Possible destinations include community thrift.
Stuff does some pretty good stuff.
I go around the front.
16th.
It's just so on the nose.
What?
Stuff's got good stuff.
They have an interesting, very good interesting selection of mid-century things, like some thoughtful things.
It's big.
How do you feel about walking in those shoes?
That hurts.
Okay.
I love doing the brow.
Something about it, right?
Looking pretty iconic over there.
Tell me this.
Tell me this, like, versus...
Right?
It's expressive.
It's all kind of a cowboy hat.
Oh.
Murder me twice.
Me twice.
I used to wear a cowboy hat in high school.
Did you?
Oh, are you setting up?
Brian, I parked down this street.
I parked down Lapage.
Oh, for my bike.
Cool.
What's today?
Today's Sunday.
Okay, we got till Wednesday.
It's amazing for me that you don't need another day of the week, dude.
Yeah I Mean if I thought about it hard enough I could have but I don't have it with me all the time most of the time I don't have it with me that what day it is I Just know that spots Monday Friday and Wednesday are the days I have to wake up in the morning and frantically move my motorcycle before I get a ticket I Just told
I told Claude that I wanted my voice memo AI configurator interface to look like Apple designed it, and it did it, and it looks great.
But I don't know if I can see it on my phone.
Task Racer.
Race your own estimates.
You have this little timer that counts down and it's from your notebook.
In the shower, I had this idea of like, I bet the coolest branding is like Betcha Can't.
Like you take a photo and it's like, oh, you think you can do these 12 tasks in 48 minutes?
And then at the end it's just like, betcha can't.
And then you're like, **** you.
Wouldn't that be cool?
Wouldn't that be a good app name?
Like betcha can't.
It's stupid, but it's like, it's fun, right?
And there could be maybe a little character or something, I don't know, maybe that's a little too far.
Just something to embody the thing that the message of like, I bet you can't do it.
I can see the character that I immediately saw.
Yeah, who do you picture?
Is this real that I love?
I watch it every time it comes up.
And people keep liking it, so it keeps showing up in my notifications, because they always read this.
Like,
Just in general, this type of...
Wait, listen.
Nice shot.
Like that, like that character?
Yeah.
Like the kid, right?
Yeah.
But you can't! But you can't! That would be cool.
The important thing for me too with this is like,
I don't like doing to-do lists on digital things.
It just doesn't live in my mind the same way it would live if it's on paper.
And so I like having the ritual of actually thinking about the task and breaking it down and knowing what I have to do when I sit down.
And so if I have to sit down and concentrate for an hour, yeah, I need it to be like, here's 12 small tasks and they're so tiny that you get positive feedback right away because bam, you did three.
So I've learned that I sort of need something like that to kind of get me going, if it's not just like an incredibly fun thing I want to do.
And so yeah, just imagine then, okay, I do my same exact ritual.
You open your app, you say like, take photo, and then it just comes up.
It's like, okay, you think you're going to do 12 tasks in 48 minutes, bet you can't, and then it's like,
Try, I don't know, there's a button that should say something like an action verb.
Or just start or whatever.
When you're racing a clock.
Ooh, that's good for the action verb.
That's great actually, that's what it's gonna be.
What did?
You want to do for the article.
Well, my not well-formed idea was to like have it be a kind of a meta thing where it's maybe more like a transcription of a voice memo that we're recording like as we're sort of sitting in the same room like talking to and about Claude and just like, I don't know.
It could be a ramble, or it could be an experiment where we're like, we don't know what the article is going to be, but the skill that we've written for Claude is to try to write for us the best possible article for this newspaper.
This is the context of what the newspaper is.
This is who we are.
These are the topics we're interested in.
We're trying to find something interesting.
We're going to ramble and smoke a joint or something.
You know what would also be like?
Of how much are we supposed to use AI in our new works and how much that stuff.
It's there, it's written by AI, these are just being looked at by humans, and that's all.
Yeah, that sounds great.
If it could just be like a, it's almost like reverse engineering a podcast out of a Hangout, and these topics can be whatever we want.
And I love it, then those topics would be great.
I think I'm going to have to set up, so I'll see you guys a little later.
Alright guys, I mean Guy.
Good luck.
See you Brian.
Good hanging man.
Thanks for breakfast.
Hey.
That was nice.
See you later.
What was the last thing you said, sir?
Oh yeah, we were talking about reverse engineering podcast from hanging out.
Those topics are cool.
I think my, if I have an angle on that stuff, an interesting angle on it or a unique one, I think it's kind of positioned as like I'm, my identity as a builder is like a designer that I didn't.
Know they would like.
Want to say that.
It's like a designer who designs tools of creation and so it's like I think it's really interesting to think about like how much of the how much of the output that creators make with computers is like attributable to the inventor of the mouse and keyboard.
You know like and how much of
I like the question of how much of an author are you of a thing depending on where you design in the process.
Like if you're designing the work itself, that's one thing, but if you're designing the tools that allow someone to take their vision and then make something real, it's another thing.
And so, yeah, I don't know.
I think there's a certain way of looking at technology and tools and stuff from the perspective of
design and like what its potential is for people to use it in service of creation of art and stuff like that, which I think is maybe like those are the types of tools that I'm most drawn to.
I don't really need an investing app or, you know, I don't really need Claude to make me **** tons of money, although that would be cool.
But what I really want is to like investigate the space of how AI can help me
like give me problems to solve to make it easier for other people to like have a vision and then make it real.
And so sometimes it's like, like I had a project in grad school which is at an architecture school and there was like the final project was like a critique of the work.
And that's what the conversation was about.
I had developed a system to be able to gesturally control the motion of robots, and then they would create forms and stuff.
But because I was talking so much about how the tool works and stuff like that, it was like, OK, well, but what did you make with it?
It's like, well, I made the ability to make with it.
And I love the design of the tool itself.
It's not necessarily always in service of something specific that I want to make.
So I think Claude's like such a helpful extension of like the thought that's already in my mind and I don't know.
What do you think about like the authorship angle?
Like would you feel comfortable reading something that Claude wrote in your voice that you read through and go like this is exactly what my feeling is.
I just didn't choose these specific words.
There's two like the soul of everything that doesn't follow the formula, but tends to have certain patterns that maybe hold up like 70% of the time.
If you're able to tune and train, you tune and train your AI that trains with like very specific things like that where it's like you might detect this pattern in the way that I write, but it doesn't happen all the time.
I feel like that's one of the main reasons why AI detectors can tell if something's human written or AI written, it's like the breaks in the pattern.
That's interesting.
Humans will just write a sentence sometimes and maybe the way that they write it just doesn't make sense for this specific paragraph, they feel.
So they're going to change
this structure, like just this one time.
Not because of any actual reason, but because they're like, I feel like it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something that's intuitive and then isn't going to get represented in the data that would try to represent you.
And that's like a big part of the voice.
It's pretty-- I feel like most people--
they already sound like AI guys because they present themselves in a situation I'm not writing with voice I'm writing to be like ordered and like precise not in communication but in the feeling that I want the reader to have which is like trust or like fear and excitement and so it feels like when you're reading
like all these tweets that were super viral.
You're like, it just kind of feels like AI wrote it.
But also they were writing like that before.
And I think AI is able to pick up on that much closer because it actually has consistent rules.
Mm-hmm.
Like the writing style versus people you would consider writers.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Writing sounds like a really daunting thing now to me.
Just in general.
It's pretty hard.
Because I think my new process is like get the sloppy message out as like
Yeah, I don't know messily as possible and then Order and then like cull it's like cull everything until only signal remains and then you end up kind of being like well Yeah, I don't know how much voice is there, but I also haven't really had the right opinion pieces or anything for a specific reason since like argumentative writing class in undergrad.
To like fully write something out without the purpose of like giving it to an audience and they know that people are gonna give attention to it or like they're doing it for a job which then is like pretty soulless.
Gotcha.
It's also just interesting to think about different mediums.
I think we all-- there's not that many mediums, right?
But we all have these different parameters for any mediums that Corey likes reading and writing and communicating with people more.
And there's music compared to me.
And my writing ones are just so low.
It's like there's a-- it's a thing that-- I think it's like a-- it's not a method of self-expression that I
tend to use.
But I could see if that was like my, you know, if doing that, if their act of writing for self-expression was like my tinkering or like 3D printing something or whatever, then it's like, okay, I can connect to how this would be a really, I don't know, nice
very specific way to like unfold little bits of your soul.
Yeah, that's cool.
A lot of time.
The ritual of writing.
Oh yeah, cool.
I think it's a great project.
definitely our friends could like cuz we know enough interesting people
We should find a way to revive the room as a musical instrument project.
I mean, and by revive I mean we could just plug it back in and do it in the synagogue and take some videos of it.
Just us tucking around.
Is it almost piggyback time?
Interesting yes, low on my priority list.
Sorry, just being.
For what?
For what?
Riding?
Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
Well, I guess I just mean, I guess that is like a, it's a little bid for like a little buoy in the water to be like, let's just keep an eye out for like.
Something in the future where it might be the right thing for something someone says.
Yeah, put it out to C, let it float around.
Yeah.
I'm searching company structures right now for Tanner.
Because right now it's just an LLC with him.
But we have to hold my-- we have to hold myself and the other existing
onto the cap tape.
And then we post it.
And then bring the new pack in.
So what are you looking at?
Is this like an S-Corp?
I'm not even sure yet.
I have a bunch of Corp models on the list.
That's a good idea.
I just need to make a one-pager letter of intent for this guy.
This guy would effectively be, well, there's technically his funds from me and from Brandon are already ventured funds.
Angels baby.
This guy with 500, I would argue
Just him.
Yeah, we have like people are partners.
It's not like share.
It's not his share, but like just the way that share is different.
Because an LLC is like...
An LLC is missing something.
We had this idea the other day when Zach was over.
Like we were having such rapid results in our feedback loops with doing the voice memo thing with Claude.
And it made something for us that we like didn't expect and it was kind of, it was like not great but it was also really funny and like
a little bit inspiring.
Anyways, I was just thinking if I just automate the last steps to actually get an app onto the app store, I know that's a big task, but imagine you could, we were talking about how funny it would be if you could just crap out apps.
One a day, you could have a social media where you're taking a video, a reel of you on a toilet, saying your app idea, and every single app there's a new app
on the app store for a year.
Well, that's okay.
I mean, I can still approve it.
If I make it easy enough for me to do one voice memo and I approve that I'm a human and here's the data you need, you can do that.
And then you can even have people send in, this is the app that I want, and then you just kind of read it.
But you just have this one thing and you do one app a day, 99 cents each, no matter what it is.
They already started cracking the five-coded apps.
Well, I mean, it's just going to go back and forth, right?
Like, okay, they make more strict requirements.
You ask your LLM to help you.
I think it depends on the quality of the apps.
Unless the whole thing, unless you're not actually expecting people to really use the apps.
No, well, it's an experiment.
Novelty of having apps in the store all the time.
And, well, they might be, maybe they're free so that people can try them or something.
Or maybe each one has some, I don't know, who cares about the money?
Maybe it's not about, but you could get people like invested in, okay, like this was the thing that they posted, like at the end of the day, it's gonna be on the app store.
Let's see if it's interesting.
Like, oh, it's actually, and then if one out of every like 20 actually is useful and people are like, oh **** this is cool, that would be sick.
If I were to compare that to another existing idea, I think the other existing idea is similar, but even better and accessible.
You go up to random people on the street, like, Give me your crazy idea.
I'll give it to you.
And then you just publish your sheet and website.
Like Aaron's Solarium idea.
Yeah, actually, I think that would be, let's just like walk around with this.
It's kind of like product machine in my pocket.
And I like, okay, we do the...
Should we stop for a second and smoke a cigarette?
Or can I borrow one?
Yeah, of course.
I like that a lot.
Because then you could be like, here it is live, if you want, I don't know, then you can pay wallet for like some amount of money.
Or you're like, if you want me to move it to your domain, like this thing will, this link will exist for 24 hours, 48 hours.
The bottom of the link, you can decide to pay me or else it disappears.
Oh, that's fun.
That's like, that adds this really interesting, like, layer that if they buy it from someone.
And that we could be, if I get it, if I optimize it, could be like a 15 minute conversation plus 5 minutes of processing, 10 minutes of processing.
And so if I can keep the interaction with them like within 1/2 an hour, they could like have the thing by the end of it.
So then, I don't know, then you could bill a few 100 bucks for half an hour.
And then for every update that you want to make to it, every re-recording, it's like some amount.
And they can send me voice memos or I can send them a link where they can upload voice memos.
But you get one voice memo at a time, you know, and you pay per revision.
And then my specific IP is like, or my moat is
My skills that I develop over time and like really refine, like the harnesses that I make for developing these outputs.
The fact that people are still scared of AI and don't know how to use it.
And that like lots of people need a website and that's it, there's a big market.
The whole muni.
Yeah, the whole municipal, yeah.
Well then we need to move to another state.
That's what we need right there.
We should do an out-of-state tax basis.
Should we move to Delaware?
No, like Nevada or Texas.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Do we have any friends in these places that want to be involved?
The only thing I don't like about the Taikan, Taikan, however you say it, is it's a little long.
It's a little long in the body.
And I will only ever have all black rims from now on.
This building.
This is it.
We made it.
Now you can sit on a thing.
Hello.
Whoa.
Okay.
I'll just kind of pull for play now.
Okay, I got it, I got it.
All right, I'll be right around.
Lift up.
I'll put it right back down.
Man, it's really missing a heath tile.
Oh yeah.
I spy something blue.
Nope.
Little base.
Nope.
Really.
No, it's a, you got, it's a little, you gotta look for it.
Is it part of something else or is it all blue?
It's part of something else.
Cat sky.
Mickey sky.
Blue on the hands.
You gotta say the name of the thing.
Captain Lid.
Nope.
Bowtie.
Yes.
This is a nice space.
This is the space we need.
Yeah.
Bring cars in the back.
Cracks.
There really is, there really is a lot of stuff.
Chuck, we're at Stuff and there's a lot of stuff and they have a sculpture of you watching TV.
That's kind of fun this cat.
I like the face.
This was so 80s.
It's actually kind of cool.
Oops.
It has like an odometer, has a timer.
That's nice.
The wave of the future.
There's this amazing thing on the floor above.
There's one thing here I could figure out, put the kind of room for it.
Want to show me?
Le Corbusier, the chase.
Lay on that feet hanging over.
Is this Corbusier?
Wondering the designer.
I don't know.
It's really nice.
It's the firmness of it that is just.
It's pretty good.
Pretty good.
How much is it?
I don't know.
Doesn't even have a price.
How much would you pay for it?
Hmm.
100 yes.
200 yes.
200 yes.
400 yes.
600, no.
Like $500.
I need a nap.
That's a great chair.
That's a marvelous chair.
The fabric is very nice.
Is this the wound chair?
I think it's the wound chair.
Yeah, 4,000.
Kind of like this catch.
Not a chair back.
No.
I feel like you could accidentally use it as a chair back and possibly.
Just maybe you could if the if the hinge was.
Yeah, it's pretty nice though.
But I like the idea of being able to turn something like that into a chair.
What if he had to, what if this is how we talk to Claude in the future?
Carrying around an army radio, dude, that's a great way to talk to Claude.
It's like your local LLM.
This is the thing that we all want.
Like, we have a briefcase, basically.
And then for privacy reasons, it's got to be like a wired thing.
EMP privacy is only available.
Yeah, look at that.
It's pink.
You get to drink a little pig pee pee.
Well, unopened.
Yeah, that's not bad.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
That's really cool, actually.
Should I get that?
That'd be fun.
1990.
I think the Sharks started in 91.
So I feel like I'd have none of my team.
Shark's first year.
No, it was 1990.
Oh.
Well, they have 91 to 92.
Oh, oh ****.
That would be the first.
I kind of want, but also like, do I need it?
Should I get it?
It would be like a 10 minute dopamine hit and then I'd probably forget about it.
that's nice.
These armrests are installed wrong.
They're supposed to be covered.
They're like, they're supposed to be rotated inward.
Yeah.
Where are they?
That's cool.
Cool.
I think I'm going to lie down for a couple hours.
And then I got to decide if I want to, I could play a hockey game tonight if I want.
It's over in Oakland.
Yeah, I saw that too.
Beth was thinking beach.
Aaron's thinking that place.
She's going to do Sunday.
It sounds a little bit...
sounds too wordy.
Yeah, I think I got to do something that's really mellow or is hockey because both will be regenerative.
Well, Aaron's thing will definitely be draining.
That's true.
But it will also be draining.
Yeah.
Cory ordered a car.
I always feel best after hockey, so I'll say yes to hockey.
Dude, I just made amazing progress on obtaining these parts.
I got referred from one guy to another guy to another.
Oh, the parts.
And this guy says, I should have most all of them.
Other than the battery and fuel hoses.
Whoever, I know someone who may have some fuel.
Hoses.
That was fast.
That's amazing.
He's going to know that my options are limited.
And he's going to be right.
Do you want it?
The list is extreme.
Carburetor drip tray, fuel pump, post from tank film, air bleed pipe, exhaust pipe, hanging, hanger band, exhaust pipe, mounting rubber, heat insulator, silencer, mounting rubber, water pump, case gasket, water pump to head gasket, clutch slave, cylinder piston, clutch slave, cylinder, circuit.
It's a lot of things.
It just keeps going.
It's a good list, though.
Car.
Car.
Is that like a...
Squirrel or a dog.
At nine say you would be 10.
Uh oh, sorry Sarah, we're killing you.
Sorry.
Yours doesn't go hi, Corey.
No, I told him to not talk to him.
What?
Yeah.
That's weird.
Like, if I'm ever on a work call, it's go hi, Corey.
Yeah, that's a good reason.
I'm always delighted.
It's always like, Hi, Brian, and I'm always like, Hi, Waymo.
Then I hit begin ride.
Then it doesn't talk to me.
How would you characterize them?
You were like, sorry sir, which was the instinct of, oh **** there are other people.
Every man for themselves.
Yeah.
And then Cory was like, thank you, Claris.
And just calmly walks.
And the second I noticed, I just sprint.
Man, that day we almost ate it at the beach.
That was such a good day.
What an adventure.
We're all like, that probably was closer to death than, a lot closer to death than normal.
That's kind of swept across a rock shelf by the way.
Yeah, like down into the, down into the ocean where it's...
Actual series of...
Feeling my body just being pulled across.
Yeah, slippery rock.
But we made it.
I probably felt, I feel almost as uncomfortable when I'm in the car when Ben Malone's driving.
It's really, it really stresses me out.
Right now?
No, That day I was just thinking like, yeah, that was an intense, that was an intense thing at the ocean.
And then also I remembered how like.
You're driving with Ben Malone's tense.
Yeah, it's.
It's like, I have to remind myself, like, there's a lot of data that shows that, like, he's fine and, like, hasn't gotten any accidents, but, like, dude, it is not good for the nervous system to be in a car with Ben Milan driving.
It's very aggressive.
It gets locked down.
It's very impatient and, like, quick and, like, there's a little bit of the mentality of, like, everyone else is an idiot.
Which is also...
which is true.
I'd like to know what the deal is with this building.
Yeah.
Something like that fits as long as over here.
There's a lot of space.
You think we could find a way in?
Probably find a way in.
For sure.
Countless homeless people enjoy it.
Probably succeed.
Kind of doubt it has a function.
Yeah, it's a 66 coupe.
It's with Brian Baker right now.
Yeah, the engine's going well, just got the engine running.
Yeah, I had it with him for a while.
I think he had some other projects going on.
Yeah.
Yeah, if I mentioned, I went to the guy in Palm Springs, we'll pick up in probably about two weeks.
But other than that, I haven't, I'm only just starting to look for all the parts on the list other than that.
Oh, good for you.
That's where to do it.
Well, you can take your time if you want, and when you're back, you could send me a quote for everything that you do.
Gladly.
Yeah, I can do that.
Yes.
It's a 626.
I can ask Brian about the tank size.
Vehicle approaching.
like, cuz it was like, we was all sitting there.
Yeah, yeah.
Fantastic.
7 minutes.
Wow.
I think it'd be cool if we didn't have to just scroll all the way through the automation section to get to the activity section.
So I'm wondering if we can have a sidebar, like a side menu on the left.
that's expanded by default and collapsible, and maybe that's where the activity is, like you can expand the activity from the side, or maybe it's better to have the skills be in that menu.
Maybe try it both ways and let me toggle back and forth.
I didn't do any of the bet you can't stuff, but like it's on my phone now, so I'm going to try it.
I don't know if it's going to work.
All I need is a sign to get behind the sun and cast this way.
I feel like you can't tell until you start pretending to read it.
This is black, and that's brown.
And as you're looking through it, it's black, brown.
On the text.
Yeah.
The changes feel so subtle.
I wonder how will it come through in the printer, those differences?
Yeah.
Men have fewer rods and cones.
Where are the wrong people to ask?
Whoa! Amazing.
It might be a little too late, but it's slightly easier to read.
Did you just print that?
Yeah, this is so lovely.
Like I just, I was having trouble with the surface being kind of ****** and it being hard to remove the thing.
So I just messed with one setting.
which is like the space in between the top of the support material and the actual thing.
Change it by 0.4 millimeter, 0.04 millimeters.
And when I lifted this up, it just like came straight off for both of them.
I didn't have to like fish anything out.
It was awesome.
That never happens.
I have a new setting I like.
I thought red was going to be cool because of Ritual Industries and all that stuff, but and it is.
It's pretty nice.
But I feel like the blue is just way cooler.
Yeah, way better.
Pretty good.
Anything else I would change about this?
God, so nice.
Oh, well.
What I'd really like is for any kind of formatting of writing a to-do list item with a time next to it on either side or with or without spacing and like that to be kind of parsed no matter how the user structures it.
Siri, why did you show up?
How's your game?
my God.
Oops.
Wow.
I always love you.
Snow falls in silence, and colors the green.
Still, I can see where the birds appear.
All in the rain, the light and free.
That's cool.
that's nice.
That's the coolest.
Yeah.
At first it was like, it gave me like this.
And I was like, the colors are not.
It's still like Josephine Long.
Yeah, it's like not faded in a way that paper.
Yeah, that looks nice.
That's a cool vibe.
How long did it take you to get to that from where you started?
Just like lots of prompting.
It's not even, it's actually not even that bad 'cause it has so much knowledge, I guess, so I didn't even have to give it a reference to the star.
Cool.
And then I gave it a bunch of like reference images.
Oh, that's nice.
You just drag them in the same chat.
Yeah, and then make a prompt and then execute.
That's sick.
I like it.
AI art is good.
Look at this thing.
This is the thing.
It just changed my voice memo AI thing into this thing that looks like pretty Apple coded.
So like here's all the skills that will run on my voice memos when they come in.
And if I want to see like how or like the condition for each of them to run, I can like look at that there and edit it.
And then yeah, this is all of the, this is like a receipt of all the things it did.
So it's like it
This is one of my voice memos if I want.
Oh, okay, I don't know why I can't play it.
And then there's a link to the place where it made the thing.
I don't know what this is actually, but it's cool.
We should record like that conversation.
Like, I mean, because we're just talking.
I feel like I want to get.
I mean, that sounds fun to me.
You'll probably, you'll have to think of like how to prompt, how to probe me, how to prompt me to answer the right question.
This is really ****** right now, but this is, I'm working with it to make it better.
But so here's like, okay, I have ****** handwriting.
choose image for postcard, modify image with AI, write birthday message, print test images.
And it's like, boop.
And like, it's, yeah.
And then you're like, okay.
And then I'm like, and I'm done, like, bam, done.
And then it's like, you banked that much time.
And it's like, okay, what am I doing now?
Modify image, okay.
You do it, and you're like, I did it.
Then you have all this extra time.
And you can like, I think you can go back.
If you wanted to, you could go back.
You can pause.
That's interesting.
What happens when you're done, done?
But if it worked, wouldn't that be kind of cool?
Like it's already something.
How is it detecting so quickly?
Good question.
Like when I was building my receipt app, it took so long to register it.
I added a.
I just told it like the thing is bad, we need a reasoning layer on top.
Like you need to look at the thing, do OCRs as best as you can, and then look at it and be like, does this white birthday message make sense?
Or do you think it's something else?
And it did it.
So then, and it got, did it get right?
5, 5, 8, 4 minutes.
Oh no, it got the times wrong.
For the postcard to sane?
That's not even a, that's a.
That's a hallucination.
Conduct a test on the Muse.
Print test images is what I said.
What the ****?
Okay.
Be less creative.
Oh, it says it's still working on it.
Hello?
Can you hear me?
I don't know what this is.
Are you wanting to record stuff right now?
Is it recording?
I don't know.
My thing's probably not going to do anything with it, but we'll have the, we'll have the recording.
I don't know how music will do.
It's like a different experience, right?
I feel like.
I forgot words.
I know.
I think that that's part of it.
Maybe we just, we have to work on something for a few minutes and forget about it and then we'll just start talking actually.
Yeah.
I'm trying to generate just the paper background so that I can put that onto the back of the card.
So I can print the beige.
onto white paper.
Oh, I see.
Are you going to print them in different passes?
I've been thinking about how to print these because I didn't get like postcard paper.
I got just large paper and then also I have Ben's cool speckled paper now.
So it was
thinking that I could just arrange all of these onto a big, like a 13 by 19 or something.
And then just run it through the printer.
And then I got a paper cutter too.
Thank you.
So I can just go and cut them and then I'll put them in the postcard tray and then print the back onto it.
Cool.
But I don't know if that's the best way to do it, but we'll see.
Print the back like the postcardy parts, like where you put the stamp and yeah, I'm.
Trying to figure out which one, which one.
ones I should use and like, or what?
The very first one, when I first saw it, I thought it was someone like ******* a lion.
Okay, maybe not this one then.
And like I'm also debating like should I add a border, but if I make it like, if I do this paper on it, then.
That's nice.
It's pretty nice.
Maybe slightly darker?
What do you think?
It's hard to know how it'll come out in the print.
I feel like this ChatGPT turned into an experience is a great example of how we can use AI both like for research and for or like assisting with research and for like actually organizing and presenting like the information you're trying to convey in a way that's
more interesting because for a person like the way that I received this VC, the product just like sent me like a file like that and it was, let me see if I can find it.
My desktop is like so messy.
I don't like that it default opens Notion.
It should open obsidian.
Okay.
This is how he submitted it.
So he had all like the sources and stuff and no one's gonna actually read, like I was trying to read this and I was like, I just can't.
Like it's too much information about stuff that I kind of care about, but also it's like not really understanding what's going on.
So I haven't even like tweaked it yet.
I just like said like take this information.
and search for all the actual sources that he cited and link them in somehow, but in a way where I don't have to read the entire thing.
And so now it's just automatically organized into eras.
I just want to see.
And then you can open this era, and then it's like, where is this from?
Oh, the National Archives.
And then see the history.
Yeah, this is way, this is way easier to like get through in a way that you actually take something with you.
Yeah, yeah.
And then it just like, like the way I described it was like, I want like a vertical timeline type thing with like a spacey background.
It was like, okay.
And then it just built it.
It's crazy.
And like, I haven't said anything else yet.
I didn't even prompt it very well.
Like, I haven't
tweaked it yet and it already looks like it's 99%.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I do think that that's the way that I'd like to, like most of my stuff to be, I'd like all of my stuff to be kind of like visually converted to something like that for me to ingest it.
That would be super helpful, just in general.
I feel like writing like
in thinking about doing this newspaper, but I was like, okay, writing is such a, there's a kind of a comeback to the medium of writing, like with Substack trending and all that.
And my theory is that with the Substack thing, for instance, I think no one's actually reading people's Substacks.
I think like once in a while you're like, oh, this is
an interesting, obscure topic.
Otherwise it's not like, it's not meant to be a social media platform where you can follow each other and you read everything and all the people that you subscribe to, right?
You just don't do that.
Yeah, it's like here's a piece that resonates once every few months or something.
Yeah.
So people's substacks are really just like, it's the exact same thing as having an Instagram and like trying to curate a feed.
Like it's not like,
for anything other than the vanity of like, here's my feed, look at all my writing.
And so if you like, if you actually want, the same goes for I think like Twitter articles, like they're very much vanity pieces.
They're to like, indicate that like you're maybe a trusted mind in this niche field that you're in.
and I'll see a lot of think pieces on X articles from people in crypto.
Sometimes I'll read them and I'll be like, this is just pure, let's say anything at all.
Like this is clearly, you know, like I'm glad that you thought you have to get this out.
Yeah.
And so, and then, and then like culturally speaking, we're moving away from reading in general, which is like
Not that my opinion on it matters, right?
It's that it just like is what it is.
The kids are illiterate, they can't read.
Not only can people not read, they can't like they have no reading comprehension skills, and so the way that...
that AI presents information is very, again, like here are your facts and here is a grammatical structure that follows the rules exactly.
So you just like, it's boring to read, but if you were going to like, if you needed quick information, like
AI is great for that because when you ask a question and then it's like, here's everything that you want to know instead of having to Google something and look through a bunch of different sublines that people have seen across the internet or whatever.
Yeah.
It just like distills all that and it spits it on in one place.
So in thinking about that and then thinking.
about how to like actually effectively communicate in in writing I feel like writing has to transcend writing and become like something interesting beyond just text and so you'll see revival probably is my feeling of like um like
broader artistic sort of crossovers with the medium of writing.
So like in my own behavior, I love reading books that are just like how children love reading picture books.
I like reading like really nice books, like leather bound, like artisanally
published books.
And then I feel like it's an art form and it's an aesthetic.
I'm appreciating how thick the pages are every time I turn them or the choice of font that they've used.
And that gets me to actually digest the substance of the book way more than if I were just reading a Kindle or something.
And that's just probably where we're going with writing.
And so with this blog, it's like it has to be so ridiculous that people want to visit it just to see what is going on.
Even with the individual articles, it's like there's the general paper and then you can click on the articles.
But if every single article is just like, here's the article page, then that's also not very interesting.
But if every single article page is like, you might discover some unique thing in it, then people will want to click on it.
Yeah.
Especially when you can, especially when you can do things like, hey, Corey, are you awake?
You know the oddities part of strangers poems?
I don't know if the site is live.
Oh yeah.
So Corey made, Ben's like website with Claude.
And then at the bottom you have this curiosity thing.
And you scroll down and it like gets through the page like his, like Ben's little things.
It's got like, it's like imagine if
you have your newspaper, but you could have the article could be like an experience like this that is like vibe and has, I don't know, like this is a way I could see of presenting certain things in there so that it feels like, I think these actually react a little bit to your cursor or something.
Oh, to your scrolling.
I don't know exactly how, but.
Yeah, but the possibilities that AI unlocks for creative people is...
I like that they're moving.
It's like a collage.
Are these hosted somewhere, like on YouTube?
I don't know.
I might be at this event though.
He's telling me that he's going to play a space cowboy event.
Is he?
Oh, hello.
What does that mean?
Space cowboy.
Space cowboys?
Space cowboy AI.
Data Centers.
Cowboy Space Corporation.
Oh, oh, yeah.
His friend Elliot works here.
Yeah, he said he's gonna, like, get in on one of their events and just trying to figure out some cool interactive thing to do.
And like, there's, like, I was telling him about that guy that you showed me.
with the NFC tag wax seals.
And I was like, that's such a perfect example of doing something artistic and super high tech, balancing both ends of that skill at the same time.
That's so cool.
And tech people would find that really cool.
Because tech people do lack in creative, artistic
Ideas.
Should see if he could get one of his bones into space on like one of their cube sats or something.
It says arriving today, but it's not yet here.
I'm waiting for my magnets.
Those would be dangerous around children.
Yeah.
I love magnets.
All right, so what do you want to know about my process?
I don't even know if I have thoughts figured out about what my process actually is.
Also, like, you're, what's cool to me about you is, like,
to describe my friend Brian to my other friends, which I have often, I'll say, oh, my friend Brian is like an inventor, basically.
He used to be an architect and now he just makes like really cool high tech **** obviously with all the AI tools now.
Like he's like
supremely unlocked in that department.
And he just does that all day.
And he has like endless ideas to just run through.
And so he is like, if there's anyone I know who's got the process down of setting up workflows or trying out new tools or whatever it is, it's Brian.
And like every time I see him, there's like some
new cool process that he's made in order to make it easier for like all of his random shower thoughts and like high ideas to come to life in front of him kind of in that way where it's like like you know you sometimes like you're having a conversation with someone you're out to drinks or you're like smoking
and you're just like, you just say some ridiculous thing and you're like, oh my god, we should make that happen. And someone's like, write that down, but like nothing actually ever happened. Well, when Brian is doing that, something actually happened because he sets up this workflow to like have
Claude apply whatever skills it needs to and then create like a prototype or a site or organize all those thoughts in a way where he can go back and review it you know without like spending extra time on like think first of all thinking about I guess like is this thing even worth doing because most things are not worth doing but it would still be fun to see them and then also like
okay, now that it exists, like do you feel something with it? Do you actually want to take it to like where it deserves to be? So that's like, that's very cool to me. And that it like for me when I'm doing stuff, I there's nothing I hate more than the process of like setting things up and organizing myself. Like I'm really okay with mess. I'm like,
same with my laundry or cleaning my house, like I'm super useless in that department. So even when it's like 5 coding and making all these projects, like I'm all over the place. And like I just ran into an issue where Claude and ChatGPT were working on different server instances and I didn't realize it for like so long. So I was
And I was like, why isn't this showing up? Like you said, you edited it. And he's like, yeah, right here. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like stuff like that would really help me to just like have organized, but I don't want to be the one who goes in and like granularly like figures that out. So like I love that you're building stuff that will like make
that easier for you, but also for other people in the process?
That's such a good framing. Yeah, all of this makes me think of, there's this really interesting guy I met a long time ago. His name is Walter O'Brien. He's a really, really interesting guy worth looking up. But he said something in an interview. He like started a software company when he was really young and he moved here on a special visa.
He's just like a brilliant guy who works with a bunch of like Mensa people. Like they have a company where they basically are like a concierge for like billionaires with big problems. He's a really interesting guy. And there's like a TV show about him, like based on his life, because his life had been kind of crazy, called Scorpion. Anyways, he, I remember he said something in an interview, which is like the,
the ironic thing about why he was so prolific about creating tools was out of laziness. It's like there's a, there's something like with minds that are like tuned to see patterns that, and get joy out of like automating something in your life because it's like, frees up time or energy or maybe the experience of watching it be automated is really cool or it feels like a
like an extension of yourself or your intentions, the feeling of like watching a Roomba go or a 3D printer print, it's just like really satisfying to have seen like all this potential energy kind of be like unraveled automatically. And so I think like people who can sense patterns and understand that things are automatable get frustrated really quickly when they start realizing like I've done the same thing twice, three, four times now. And when that problem is like, for example,
I was actually responding to a previous version of an app to Claude, and so I didn't realize that he already pushed the update to my phone. It's like, okay, I don't want to have this problem anymore, so let's make this problem go away forever so I can concentrate on the other problems. And so it's like, okay, well now every time I make any update at all,
to anything that's like on the server side or on the phone side, like there's a version number on both versions that always get updated every single time. So I can just visually see like, is this, am I, still happens that I like end up saying the wrong thing to the wrong quad sometimes. And because my, I live in mess also. But yeah, part of the good and bad thing about the like complexity and intelligence of these systems now is like it can allow for so much mess.
So just to talk about, how the voice memo or the AI voice memo system works, it's like, you have a list of skills, the skills you've developed with Claude. And anytime you record a voice memo, it'll sync with your computer. It just shows up as a file. And then Claude or a local whisper model transcribes the voice memo. Claude, it launches like, I think, I don't know, Sonnet or Haiku or something just to kind of go through the transcript and decide which skills to run on it.
and each skill has with it like a sentence or a paragraph on the condition under which to run. So for example, if I have one that's like the idea machine, it's like take a new idea and make a website for it, like figure out the project's name, like what's the mission, if it's an interesting idea, like see is it patentable, like are there competitors?
If it's a, if it's about a product, like can you find, can you make like a shopping list and like a bomb caught, like a bill of materials estimate? If it's like a business, can you, rough business plan or like maybe something interactable so I can see like if I price this app at $199 versus $299 and I get this many downloads, like tell me what my take would be after Apple gets their cut. You know, just you kind of say all of the things that you might want to do for a new idea. It's like
Part of the way of thinking is just like thinking of everything algorithmically, like how you define every time I come up with an idea, it's something that may or may not have one of the following things. So I just have a skill that kind of says, like, you know, when appropriate, do all of these things. And then so now I can kind of like walk up to someone and press, you know, one button, like the action button on my phone, launch the voice memo, starts recording, and we can talk about an idea. Lately, that's been really cool with people who have like companies they want to start or, you know, just like a random idea.
And then, 20 minutes later, you have an actual, a website that's actually hosted on, like that's another cool thing is like just getting over the barrier of having something go through Cloudflare and actually be like deployed online as opposed to like an artifact or something that's running on a local server. It's like, not necessarily the easiest thing to share with. I mean, they're shared, they're very easily shareable, but it's something that feels like real, feels like more tangible.
And so, now I have just a collection on my website, a collection of all of the things that Claude has made just by listening to a voice memo. And I like that process because then, I can kind of trust that even though I'm not writing things down most of the time, like they are somewhere and I can, I always like one question away from Claude to be like, hey, what was that thing that we?
Yeah. One of my favorite things that, or processes that I've seen you create loops, I guess, is
with that notebook with all those little like QR code things on the paper and that pen and like drawing something and writing something and then like checking that action box or email button or whatever and that executing some like skill with your phone or request to quad to
like put it, depending on what it is, put it through this image generator or make a website or do a summary or whatever it is. That's so cool to me, especially in the contrast thing of your writing with your handwriting on a piece of paper. But it's immediately in the background working to become this digital thing.
I love that project. Do you want me to talk about it a little bit? Yeah. I love that project. It's so fun. So technically it uses like a Neo smart pen based system where they have, you know, it's the magic of it is like the paper is quote unquote intelligent, but it's just because it has a fine pattern printed on the paper that's like almost imperceptible to the eye, but the pen has a
little infrared camera in it and it bounces I think some infrared light off of the page and then sees a small pattern which is unique everywhere. So every single page, every millimeter of every single page in the entire notebook is unique and it can tell whenever you just tap the page anywhere or draw anywhere on the page, it knows the X position, Y position on the page, like which page it is, which notebook it is even.
And so what's really cool is that from your perspective, the experience of using it is the same exact thing as like just ink on paper, with the exception that the pen does feel like this kind of like slightly plasticky tech object, which is maybe like the worst part of the experience. But the cool thing is that then anything I write, there's an SDK for it. So anything that you write, you can stream to another device. So I have it right now where I can
I can open, like when I take the pen cap off, it connects to my phone and I start writing. And then everything I write gets streamed to my phone. And then there are certain like symbols that you can draw to invoke different processes, which now that I'm thinking about it, I think like, yeah, being able to write like slash and like write the skill that you want to happen on it would be a kind of a cool thing. Like you do like slash ideate or slash, you know, render.
But what I was doing was drawing the VisCom logo. And so it was like when you would draw the VisCom logo, which is like this kind of six or a six vertices V-shape thing, vertex. Anyways, it would take the contents of the page and then send it to my computer that was like my Mac menu that's running at home. And it would then automate some actions
So VisCom is like this just for this. It's like a visualization pipeline AI visualization tool that's really good for like industrial designers and people who sketch and start with reference images and want to like use AI to make cool stuff. And so they don't have an API or anything, which is a bummer. And I'm hoping that they will soon. Right now it's a browser experience. So Claude, I basically like iterated with Claude to have it figure out how to manipulate the browser using the Chrome tool or the Chrome.
skill and use this con manually. And so it would take the image from your sketchbook as like an input and connect it to a node which had a prompt which would say like render this as a photorealistic thing or as a product image or whatever. And then for everything that's created, like download it, put it in this folder. And once it's in this folder, then like upload it to my website at this certain URL, like my website slash sketches. And then
Basically like the dream is that you go to the park and you have some idea and you sketch it by the time you like come back to your office or you look at your phone and you've got like a landing page of a website or a pitch deck or whatever it is that you're hoping for related to the thing that you sketched. And that's just super cool because you're not looking at a screen, you know like touching using a mouse or keyboard. There's a lot of the work that I am interested in doing is like alternative inputs for new
technologies that don't really feel, they're different than the way that we would normally interact with them during our nine to fives, which is like the thing I want to kind of explore, like the non-nine to five way of interacting with technology. Because I don't really want to sit in an office chair and type on a keyboard all day.
Yeah, same. I couldn't do that. I wonder if we could make
Like the tech for doing that pen, paper, QR code thing. Like we could probably make our own.
They allow you to print it actually. We actually should experiment with it on your printer because your printer is really high quality enough to like make it pretty close to how it actually looks. Like I've experimented with it a little bit. Like this was my original thought was like,
we could make our own version of a Moleskine sketchbook that's like a 3D sketchbook, where you have certain pages that are maybe like these 20 pages have a certain functionality, like they allow for a certain type of thing, or like these ones are like to make tarot cards or whatever, like you could have, or like in the back you have like
a grid of objects that are parametric and they just have a line to a coffee mug. And a coffee mug has a height and a diameter and a, I don't know, size of the handle. And they just have 3 lines and you just write in the measurements that you want or something. Like you could have a whole thing where there's more assistance baked into the pages itself.
Like there's like you have eight options or color options or okay, you're going to 3D, there's going to be a thing, it's going to generate a 3D model and it's going to 3D print it. So maybe on the 3D printer pages, there's little options for like what color PLA or like what resolution do you want, like the layer height or something. So I think like the sketchbook as like a AI interface or like computational interface is like a really cool one.
Yeah, you could make a bunch of different custom sketchbooks like the architects.
I don't know, the founder's notebook.
Yeah, trigger all these different actions, right? Or like, there's so many things you could do there. Like, even if it's a diary companion, like you're writing in a diary and now like, maybe as you write, you could even have like in your AirPod, your bud, whatever, like a voice speaking to you or saying, like responding to the things you say.
no, he didn't. Or just like, yeah, that person really was a *****.
Yeah, I like that idea, like a local AI or something that is able to transcribe it or like look at it and respond to it or analyze it. Yeah, I've been like recently trying to organize a lot of my work into like markdown files.
so that it just stays on my computer. I think that's the main thing for me is like I want to be able to trust that this is private. So having a, I need to set up a computer at home to just run the whole time because right now I just use my laptop. But once I get that, then I'll be able to set up these sort of loops.
Yeah, I'm still like, I don't, have most of them on the laptop because I'm just prototyping so rapidly with them that none of them are really just like set it and forget it, which is like a challenge. And it's part of what, part of the challenge is trying to get these things so that they just like get to a point where they're sustainable and you don't have to like kind of worry about them. And some of these things are hacked together so, you know, quickly that it's like, oh, there's a file permission error when I restart it or something or like
there's just little things that will have to get smooth out over time, but that's actually kind of like a whole other area of research that I'm super interested in. I don't know about research, but because it's not really formal, but just like experimentation with building feedback loop cycles into software that you're developing with AI for AI. So like my dream is like I'm working on an app right now and every time I give it feedback, I just
I feel like I can't really stop and use it yet because it's always, I'm always finding problems and then waiting for it to be fixed and finding problems waiting for it to be fixed. And what I actually want to do is try to start using the things that I make as soon as possible so that I don't get caught in just developing features before actually knowing if I want to use this thing. And I think the best way to do that is to have a system where once you're in this feedback mode, it's just observing
everything you can observe, like it's recording your screen, it's recording your cursor position, it's recording audio. And then as you're using it, you just give feedback as if you would a person like looking over your shoulder, like this button here, I don't like the style of this button and like the gap here or the margin on this side is like too small and when I click this, it actually takes me to the wrong page.
Like what I just said, it contains all the information that Claude actually needs. Like you can, as long as the transcript is timestamped and synchronized with the audio, then you can, or with the...
with the video, then you can, instead of trying to process hundreds or thousands of frames of video, which is maybe not realistic right now, or not efficient at least, you can say, okay, well, you said this button at this time, and so I'm going to go to that part of the video, take a screenshot, and then reason about that screenshot, as opposed to constantly.
And so if you can use those, look at the transcript and then find these moments of like, okay, here's visual context, here's where the cursor was, here's metadata from the app, like the hover states of buttons or whatever, and here's your transcript and it's all unified time stamp wise.
Then it can create like a queue of, you know, you use the app for 5 minutes and you just talk to it and now it's got 20 things that it's going to fix while you go like get your coffee or something.
So that's like I think closing that loop is going to be
the big one for lots of people.
Yeah.
That's why I have like hundreds of screenshots on my desktop.
And I would love to get out of that.
Yeah.
I end up put them in my, in a screenshots folder.
And sometimes it's cool because if you, put it in a certain folder and you tell Claude that's where they are, sometimes you can be like, look at the last screenshot without having to like figure, you know, drag and stuff.
But that's another thing I'm working, I'm trying to implement, or a goal of implementing with this is I want to be able to aim and point, which is like my cursor is here, and I press down and go like this.
And then I want, and then just say out loud, like, this needs to be different.
And then I let go of my thumb, and it's like, okay, screenshot of just that into the chat, plus what I said into the chat, like entered into chat.
Because I think just like that little bit of reduction of friction is going to be so nice.
Just like this is a little bit different, that a little bit different, this more like that.
Like that's all you did.
And it's so much nicer than like, let me just, and what's the command shift for?
Like let me wait for this thing to save so I know it's saved.
I feel like when you watch movies, like futuristic ones, like Iron Man is the first one that I think of.
where the tech that is being interacted with is just like the version that just makes the most sense of like, let's get rid of all the complexity.
So no keyboards, like we don't need that.
Obviously with a like magic AI assistant.
Now, like what else does the interface look like?
And then like flexity.
So no keyboards, like we don't need that.
obviously with a magic AI assistant, now what else does the interface look like?
And then how do we actually build to that way faster versus just being very used to this computer design, so personal computer design, which maybe is for a lot of people now, it's just their phone, which is the simplest version.
you can do like voice to text and then you can do like all these different buttons.
Oh, that might be my battery.
So let me just go project real quick.
I mean magnets.
Hold on to that thought though, because that's a really interesting area I want to talk about.
Hello?
Yes, I see.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
No problem.
No problem.
Thanks, man.
Appreciate it.
You too.
Magnets.
Yeah, I have so many thoughts on that.
So.
I feel like I, when I look at a laptop, I definitely, and I feel like I've always felt this way, this is a little much, like this is, like in Iron Man, they don't need this, they don't need keyboards.
Even with a touch screen, it's like that's cool and futuristic, but also we should be able to not even have to touch it.
Yeah.
So I agree.
I think that like when I do that exercise, I go like, well, all voice is kind of the dream, but my thoughts on that are evolving and I'll come back to that.
In the future, future, it's just like, Neuralink brain stuff, I'm sure, is like, using an expression of your emotion to kind of like drive a signal that's like the thing that's driving your machinery, whatever AI stuff.
But the thing that I've come back, after doing a lot of voice stuff and experimenting with a lot of voice, from a lot of angles with voice and AI, I'm realizing that like there are places where voice is really inefficient and kind of frustrating.
Interesting.
Which is in the direction of your attention.
Like the communication of I need to give AI the context of where my attention specifically is or what the thing I'm focusing on is.
Like what is the thing I'm saying about?
Because if you're forced to get really descriptive, like I think it'd be an interesting like experiment to do is to ask people like
how would you tell people to make this thing green or whatever?
And just ask the people like, okay, in the top right corner, there's a green button and I want, whatever.
And it's like, okay, all of that ends up being like, let's compare how fast that is to just like pointing.
Or, you know, like being able to say like this, like the cursor is like a very fast way of doing that.
And so I think that there, at least for now, maybe there should be this kind of like these two parallel signals, which is
voice plus the direction of your attention, like the thing that you're looking at, the thing that you're pointing at, the thing that you're talking about.
And so depending on the system you're using, there's like different ways to think about how that could work.
Like if you're doing a totally like you're projecting on the wall and it's all voice and you have a connect or something, you could like be pointing at things with your hand.
I think that would be really cool.
Just like there's no technology, you're just like talking to a screen and pointing at it what you want and the kind of vector from your hand to the wall is sort of the cursor in a way.
But I think one thing that's, so that's why I'm really interested in the watch as a handheld device that's like not mouse and keyboard, not overwhelming, just this like one thing that you could point and touch and record, talk to your stuff.
But I think that the iPad is gonna come back as a big AI input device because I think it's, I think of it conceptually like you just have like a piece of glass where like you are on one side and the AI is on the other side and you're drawing on the same piece of glass.
Like think of it like a whiteboard.
Like that's the kind of experience that I think will kind of, maybe they're not, maybe they're not drawing to you because maybe it's not efficient, but like you're talking to it through this thing and it's kind of like from the other side showing you how it's reacting to you.
So at least for like app development feedback, like giving feedback to AI for improving things, I think it'll be interesting.
Yeah, I would like a that just requires.
Yeah, right.
All it needs to do.
Is just a big and.
Then that would be such a good way to like take your work with like your menu of things that you're working on.
Yeah, voice has all these other problems that are interesting, whether you feel comfortable saying it, saying what you need to say in the presence of other people, accuracy, all that stuff, and there is interesting, like Cory and I.
We were talking recently about different projects that are coming out, like things that can look at electrical signals in your face, neck, body, mouth, and like know what you're saying without, you can just kind of be like a ventriloquist where you sort of like pretend like you're saying it but without actually saying it and it can pick up things or there's like, it's kind of like a retainer thing you can wear at the top of your mouth that turns your tongue into a trackpad because your tongue is like really fine.
There's all these different kind of like ways of getting around the
not talking in public problems, but it is, I think it's, I don't think there's going to be a form factor that like will just totally, maybe, I don't know, there's also like the neural band that like meta was worked on as an input device for the glasses and like that's pretty high like resolution input.
We were, I was looking at this, there's this, Brian Cox was working on this thing, it's like, I wonder what it's called.
I should actually ask him because it's interesting enough.
There's like a 1D input where like you move a thing up and down and you've got all of the most likely things that you might want to say and some of them are like letters and words and stuff and you kind of are constructing a word over time.
Like imagine if it was just letters, it's like the letter A and you
If you move up or down, you kind of like are scrolling through the different things.
So there's like, oh, A, and I go here, like everything is moving to the side.
And so when it gets here, it's like, okay, A.
And now the next likely thing might be like the letter T or whatever is most likely.
So now T is towards the middle.
So you can like stay here and it will just keep coming at you.
But you can kind of go like this to like fly through the.
thing and it's rearranging to show you the next most likely like field of thing.
So you basically take like a 1D input, just like one signal, and then getting full English out of it.
And so it makes me wonder like what are the kind of like lower level one or two or three-dimensional signals that we have access to that we might, you know, use our body to be, like to create new interfaces that output
what AI wants, which might still be, might be text for a long time, but might be something else like a feeling or a vibe or a, the measurement of some other parameter that's actually more relevant to whatever it's creating.
If Brian gets back to me, I'll bring it up.
It'll make more sense of seeing it visually.
Interesting.
Yeah, I think if I, my, probably what I would want to be.
I think it's not, I think it hasn't been recording for a while.
I really gotta, I really gotta check this because it did go for 41 minutes.
It got, it got to when you started describing Iron Man.
All right, so that's the only reason that we should, I need to keep the screen up.
Why would it stop?
Interesting ways to improve the or consider the optimal user experience and one-dimensional inputs, as you were saying, to interact with like whatever
work that you're doing along with AI.
I feel like my optimal theoretical working setup would be just a box, like a blank room with blank walls.
And I walk in and I'm just in the center
and I can close the door and it feels like you're just in a box, like tall ceilings, of course, and you just stand in the center or you can sit and you just point at stuff and say things and start running different windows simultaneously on every single wall and perhaps
ceiling and floor if you need it.
Because only because that would be such a cool, immersive room.
Like if you were working on artwork, for instance, like I hosted this NFT event in New York City one time at this art gallery that had projections on every surface of the wall and the floors.
And it was like, we created this like animating loop and you could see everything everywhere.
And it was
like a great like I'm in this place experience.
When I think about like sci-fi and futuristic films where they have, like they don't really have windows, but maybe they do have windows, but it's like against like a brick wall.
So instead you put up like a screen of the beach and it's like you're actually there.
And it's that good.
Like our tech is like almost there.
Like TV tech is great.
Like your projector is really, really
Like it feels like it's there already.
And if you could set up a room to just have all like all four walls be immersive like that.
And then I don't know what the best way to like, maybe you would start with like a stylist or like your watch for instance, and like as a remote, but eventually like you should just be able to wear like a ring for instance.
And then like you
you're pointing, it should be able to detect that signal.
And then it's like, okay, like.
Yeah, rings good.
Yeah, like you put it on your pointer finger and now like it knows which direction and which thing that you're pointing at.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, then where my brain goes with that is like, if you've already instrumented the room to that degree, like having, you know, like the projector set up kind of permanently and like fixed to maximize the coverage of the space, I would probably
invest in like a couple of like depth sensors, basically like things to be able to see your body in detail.
Because then you might not even need the ring.
Like you just, you know, if the room is the kind of computational device and you are the input for it, then it's mostly like your voice.
You could still accurately do like a, you know, if you want to go like from your elbow to your palm and say like this is the direction that you're always pointing and
we know where you are in the room, so we can find out exactly where this intersects with the wall.
That would be pretty cool.
And I think that would be a really fun spatial computing experiment, is like, what would an operating system, which is 4 walls that you're inside of, be like, if it was instead of, you know, a 2D thing that has, like, this dimension.
It'd be kind of cool.
Yeah, we should explore that.
Like even just an artistic medium, like find a way to put up a little gallery space and then maybe set something like that up as an experiment.
Yeah, fun, this is a cool experiment.
Okay, we think of operating systems as things that are designed for a screen that has like a width and a height and an ability to navigate it.
What if the computational device is a room with full projection on every wall
and an ability to see you and your body and hear your voice.
So, you can point at things and it knows exactly what you're pointing at.
You can say things, it can hear you.
So it's the computer, you're the input.
What does the operating system look like for that thing?
You know, it can be like spatial.
You could have like things relationships to your body is maybe more relevant than a thing's relationship to the edges of a screen.
Like things that are at your eye level or touch or whatever are going to be different than like what's way up high.
kind of cool to develop like spatial operating systems.
Imagine being able to like take a window, like with gestures.
And then like, yeah, and then there's like a, yeah.
you have a whole different set, a system of what does copy and paste look like?
It's like, whoa, this is a copy and paste is not in motion.
You know, like what you can think of like in 20 years from now, we already talked about like kids looking at the disk icon, like the save icon and being like, what's that?
Like what does that mean?
Like what's a flop?
Because what's a floppy disk?
What if like copy and paste in 20 years from now is like, what do you mean?
What's control C, control V?
Like what do you mean?
Oh, you mean this?
Oh, you mean this?
These magnets are way too small.
But it's fine, I'll just make the, just have to reprint.
I need some calipers and I need to reprint.
I guess I'll pause this too.
We're gonna do a little smoky breaky.
Well, a lot of stuff would just carry over, you know?
A lot of stuff would be like, Well, why change it?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
With the US, we will exist, but I think that as a user, it's like being able to move your mouse an inch.
and move it 10 feet on your wall.
It's really, really, really efficient.
Yeah, it's true.
A keyboard in terms of the amount of effort that you have to exert to be able to execute the change.
They're very small individual inputs.
Yeah.
I think Neuralink is the base short circuit.
Yeah.
Unless you train, unless you find like a rich way of like ingesting other emotive training data, audible emotive, audible emotions.
Audible emotions.
Yeah, for like feedback.
I can imagine Claude's like, all right, I made a website.
And if I go like, what did I just, I didn't say anything.
That's not text, but like, there's a lot of, there's information there.
Yeah, the way a human picks up on things like that.
Sarah, are you coming?
Oh, look to the curb.
The Marina Green.
Yep.
Yeah, loops.
Closing the loop is always the challenge.
But automate, there's something about, there's like a, I'm kind of obsessed with automation.
There's like lots of reward in pursuing designs that
result in automations for me.
I also like the, I like that idea because I like knowing that I have, like if I had that, I would have somewhere that I know is made for that and then the rest of my smart house could be dumb tech, like lights and heated floors and all that kind of stuff.
Like I wouldn't need a smart home
Alexa that's always listening to me.
I could just have standard motion detectors or other dumb tech that's actually high tech, because it's automated.
I think my room would be pretty similar.
I would have a swivel chair in the middle.
and I'd have my watch as like the main thing, but I'd also have like, okay, I'm just going to stand, I'm just going to look and I'm going to get up close and I'm going to like touch the wall sometimes, like this thing or point at that thing or grab this and bring it over here.
I'd be in the middle of the room just like swiveling and then I think really spatially, so I'd be like, okay, this project is there, this project is there, this project is there and I can kind of feel where they are.
And so I think exploring spatially would be really cool.
And then I probably also need like surfaces
to be able to like pull out and like do stuff on with physical things.
Like in spaceship design, they have to like stick everything to the walls.
So like you'd have like a desk that like pulls out of the wall and also like...
Dude, I would love, can you imagine like architecture background designing, designing a spatial computer, like cockpit?
I'll call you when I go to my house.
Like having like a...
Oh, if I move places, I'm gonna...
Or if we get a little warehouse or something, I'm just going to make a little like cave.
And then you could open source the plans for it.
That'd be cool.
Rear project on it with the short throw projectors.
Maybe.
I bought a 100 inch TV once.
It broke.
Whoa.
It's taller than a person so you can use it like you could also just like put that you put like four of these on the wall.
What happened with it?
It got moved here and in the moving it the corner broke.
I was going to use it as a backdrop for robots to move in front of and do like robot theater and interesting stuff with like the position of the camera which is on a robot moving around with the content of the screen also changing so you could have like
you could make it look like a robot had like a lightsaber from the TV that then also like can interact with the TV.
And yeah, anyways, it's kind of do a bunch of weird stuff.
Shoot portals that could then like you could see through them, sort of things.
Okay, not screens, but they're all windows like that.
What kind of windows?
Like clear, like transparent.
Yeah, that exists.
So you're just in like a glass box?
That's kind of cool.
Especially if you could make them opaque.
Like if you could.
Yeah.
I guess you could just put like blinds down behind them.
Or like the outside becomes like a shaded and like natural way.
Like there's like a dual screen.
It's like showing like a nice like whatever scene you're trying to project like window shades or anything.
That's cool.
And then on the inside it's like your stuff.
So it's all touch screen and it's all.
Yeah, that'd be nice.
I also like the idea of big open expansive space, seat in the middle, and then 4 translucent, like rear projected screens that basically fully enclose this, like as if they were to coming down from the skylight, like fully enclose all four sides and you have projectors behind them, like on the actual walls of the space, so that you can like sit there and then like press a button and then like you become enclosed by these things that are rear projected on, all four sides.
That can be pretty doable.
Like then, as long as you have a space,
And you have like either a ceiling or like a frame to be able to put these things on and come down.
That'd be sick.
Because then the rest of the time it's just like a big open expansive space.
That'd be fun to prototype.
Actually the people that Aaron works next to, human made, they would be good people to talk about.
They do like workplace solutions that are like standing desks that convert and like fold into the wall and stuff.
Or sit, stand, fold.
in the wall.
Yeah, I've dreamt of, there's a space in my mind that I've dreamt of for a couple of decades that like evolves over time.
Sometimes it's like a house and sometimes it's just a workspace sometimes.
But I have a thing in mind that that idea would fit in really well with.
It would also be cool from like a creative studio space.
Like if there's just like a table in the middle and it's like in a cube where there's like a camera here and then the two of the back wall faces are just like completely screened so you can make them look like whatever from this perspective.
That would be cool.
That would be such a versatile room.
Like you could do.
Cooking shows, high-tech new media oriented, do podcasts.
Yeah, exactly.
Like it's like the modern tech lab.
Where don't we have that?
It's just an office.
We should build it.
Yeah.
I mean, and the reasons are because they are one form factor.
Like it is, you get a new employee, like pick your device, like do you need an extra screen?
What work chair do you want?
And it's just like it's this thing that's a desk and a chair and a person and a space with certain devices and access to a power cable.
That's just what the thing is.
But yeah, maybe in the future when you get hired, it's like, well, do you want a
four by eight standing interactable space?
Or do you want like your laptop and desk thing?
Or they become like phone booths, like people can, you can use them when you have a task that's like well suited for something spatial.
Otherwise you do the same thing.
Back inside.
I think I'm going to go home soon because my wireless charger got delivered.
Cool.
Do I have paper for you?
Do I have paper for you?
Yes.
Also, I called Brian yesterday because Brian and I were thinking about making my table inserts.
You do a phone charger?
You're solving it.
And then now it's like, wait.
If I make it into a phone charger, my kitchen table is the right thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's going to feel like the future.
So I just did that for a while.
Yeah.
And then they took them away because...
We can't have nice things.
We can't have nice things.
I think you want to pack up and go do that.
Brian, you're welcome.
To come.
To going to what?
No, you're welcome to come.
You are coming.
Get paper.
So I might.
If you want, I'll change it.
I have to decide if I want to play hockey or not.
Today.
Yeah, I was at 8.15 in Oakland.
Oh.
I do, I should.
I would like to and I should.
I will be very glad if I do, but it is a kind of a *****.
I'm leaning towards that, so I think I'm going to commit to it.
And then take a little nap.
Oh, did I do laundry since my last game?
I have to do laundry.
I hate laundry.
I do too.
Oh, shoot.
I started a print without the bed on and the print ****** **.
Oopsie.
Okay, now I have a sequence of events I need to do.
Okay, I'll be right back.
I'm gonna stay here, but I'll be right back down to say good farewell.
Oh boy.
Oh boy.
****.
Yeah, I have some of my hockey stuff's in here.
So you guys are heading out?
Yeah.
Well, here I'll say goodbye once you have your shoes on down here.
Corey, I started the print without the bed in.
So I started the print without the bed inside of it.
So the print didn't adhere.
And so it just created this huge BLOB of plastic that like gummed up the whole print head.
So it's going to be a nightmare to actually like get all off of the print head.
I might need to, yeah.
Is it like all around the print?
Yeah, like enveloped it basically.
There should be a way I can take it off and I don't know, maybe I'll heat it up and.
peel it off.
Or I might just print stuff in my office instead and put it off.